Originally by: Adunh Slavy

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Originally by: Black Dranzer

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Originally by: Illwill Bill

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It's interesting that CCP's hasn't been activated yet.

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Honestly, not even CCP has the hull tank for this.

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Honor Tank! Honor Tank! CCP has a low rack full of cargo expanders so they can haul their bull **** around.

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Originally by: Isil Rahsen

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Originally by: General Xenophon

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Originally by: Hra Neuvosto

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>paying ISK for more saved fittings

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Yea that's like paying for extended bookmark space.... *someone in CCP perks up* "AHA! New Business strategy!"

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Haha, how god damn pathetic is that?

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Originally by: Black Dranzer

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Edited by: Black Dranzer on 23/06/2011 06:16:45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oClM8tja5-o

Sad nostalgic music, anyone?

An Ibis in Todaki, all those years ago...

I guess all good things have to end, though.

Edit: Updated to the newer version of the song.

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Originally by: MrSteack

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Originally by: Shoot2kilI

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FFS steak go to sleep man.

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NO I MUST WATCH THIS

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Originally by: Aluchem

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This is copied from a thread on our internal forums about this. Seeing as it adequately sums up my views I felt I should paste it here on what I think must be my second ever Eve-O post:

Anyone with half an ounce of business sense will tell you that in order to make money and satisfy repeat customers then your services offered and public perception need to be good.

If people feel that they are being treated unfairly or ripped off then they will jump ship. The effects of this are easily noticeable; Using for example insurance companies, watch their adverts. Now answer me how many of those ads are saying "We offer the best insurance"? Not many. Now how many say "We have the best customer service and we care about our customers"? Nearly all of them.

Customer perception matters a hell of a lot. It can make or break any business, and there are MMOs out there who serve as prime examples of what happened when they alienated their customers. The best way to improve your customer perception is simply communication coupled with a fair and good product. CCP is actively talking internally about completely reversing their promise to their active customers regarding Micro-Transactions. CCP wants to charge us $70 for a fake ****ing monacle.

Now maybe you see that as fine, but I feel like I was just **** on. My customer perception of CCP has been severely damaged by this, and if I see them break their promise I won't be willing to pay them for a game even if I enjoy it. And I'm far from the only one.

So before you decide to make money off someone, you sure as hell better be careful what impact that has on your public image. CCP ****ed this up in a big way.

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Originally by: ExcalibursTemplar

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Originally by: Reed Tiburon

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QFT. CCP has shown that they don't give a flying **** about us; they see customers as walking wallets. This document shows that they are concerned with getting maximum MONEY for minimum SERVICE. Why should I give my money to a company like that? Better I spend my subscription fee on hookers rather than monocles; at least they pretend to care about me.

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PMSL

Mind if a quote you in my sig as thats funny as hell.

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Originally by: In System

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T20
"Ghost" training
And now this.

Ignoring all the minor times you've screwed us around, of course.

Fucking. Lovely.

How about you grow some balls and front up to your playerbase?

Moderate me, ban me, you shitlicking cum-gargling, cock-juggling, feces-coated pustules. Show that you're reading this thread.

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Originally by: G0rdon Gekko

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Edited by: G0rdon Gekko on 23/06/2011 12:40:38
Just thought I'd swing by and say that I have no idea why you guys are getting so angry about all this. Personally I think it's good to see that CCP are engaging their staff with publications like this and encouraging them to explore innovation. The two articles were clearly polarised and deliberately provocative to provoke debate. Those of you who are taking them literally really need to loosen up your neckties.

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HEY CCP! Valued members of your community are expressing their displeasure. Former CSMs have vowed to unsub if this document is true. People who contribute so much to your player-driven marketing, like:
Helicity Boson (organizer of Hulkageddon)
Liang Nuren (the best damn forum ***** I've ever seen)
Malcanis (creator of the infamous Malcanis' Law)
and many others are fed up with your bull****. The least this great playerbase - which has taken you so much further than you ever thought you could go - deserves is a response.

Originally by: EVIL SYNNs

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Long, LONG time player, first time complainer.

First they said CQ would be a solo experience ... AND I SAID NOTHING
Then they said MT would be for vanity items only ... AND I SAID NOTHING
Then they make it hard for me to run my 4 accounts ... AND I SAID NOTHING
Now they are talking about MT for stuff in game, that effects me ... AND I CAN NO LONGER SAY NOTHING.

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Originally by: G0rdon Gekko

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Originally by: Tammarr

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Hmmm. As been suggested to me now.

The document contains in essence two extremely opposing views talking about MT, pulling qoutes of out the blue always looks bad.
It is quite possible the document is legit, and is an attempt to create inhouse debate over MT and try to get new ideas coming in.

Viewing the document in the light off an inhouse, start a debate source. Yeah, quite plausible and shouldnt be used to judge ccp.
But rather 'hey, how do you all feel about this. were should we be going with mt'
What do they actually say in the document? No they are arguing different points of views; They are saying precious little if you dont take qoutes out of context.

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Precisely. I wasn't joking when I said that. I think some people are just too dumb and overexcited to notice that.

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Originally by: General Windypops

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It is entirely right and reasonable that people with more money can buy themselves better stuff.

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Originally by: Abelard Nightbringer

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Originally by: Quetazoid

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Edited by: Quetazoid on 22/06/2011 21:07:52
nice leak.

and I agree with the statement Greed is Good:

lets explore the possibility of having to buy a item, for Example a faction POS with micro-plex.

Use ISK, convert to plex, convert to arum, buy POS.

How different is that to:

Use ISK, buy POS?

Infact, the richer get poorer (PLEX prices go up), that faction POS (or sub) will cost more.
The Poorer become richer (many sell PLEX for ISK) more expensive PLEX means more money for people who do MT.

So given the above paragraph, can someone point out the evil here? All I see is more of a equalizer between the rich and the poor (both in and out of game).

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^^ This.

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Originally by: FunzzeR

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and ôgetö what makes Eve great û and thatÆs the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not ôget eveö does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters û itÆs not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible û if you have a bad graphic card itÆs a jerk fest û if you have a decent graphics card itÆs heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQÆs turned on û I can run it smoothly û but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQÆs on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a ôdisembark shipö option to the UI but ôoh noö to do that would have meant we werenÆt being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if weÆre to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter youÆll see reference to saved fitting slots û and I donÆt know about you Verone but in JF weÆve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the ôbiz-devsö talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such ôminor upgrades.ö?

3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldnÆt you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

HereÆs the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didnÆt want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I donÆt want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really donÆt have much of a clue in business.

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Quoting Jade Constantine's best post ever...

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Originally by: Myra2007

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CCP right about now!

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Originally by: Nikita Alterana

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and ôgetö what makes Eve great û and thatÆs the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not ôget eveö does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters û itÆs not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible û if you have a bad graphic card itÆs a jerk fest û if you have a decent graphics card itÆs heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQÆs turned on û I can run it smoothly û but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQÆs on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a ôdisembark shipö option to the UI but ôoh noö to do that would have meant we werenÆt being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if weÆre to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter youÆll see reference to saved fitting slots û and I donÆt know about you Verone but in JF weÆve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the ôbiz-devsö talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such ôminor upgrades.ö?

3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldnÆt you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

HereÆs the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didnÆt want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I donÆt want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really donÆt have much of a clue in business.

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/signed

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Originally by: Digital Messiah

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This is fake, CCP knows as well as we do money for non vanity items has killed every game that has ever tried it.

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Originally by: Terianna Eri

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Image changed to link. Navigator

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Originally by: Lakut

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Originally by: Miilla

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Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /viewtopic.php on this server.

Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.


That link is dead.

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Still got the page open, posting it as a screencap because of :charlimit: (in true Bartholomeus Crane walloftext fashion)

http://i.imgur.com/5xJhp.png

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Originally by: Black Dranzer

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CCP: If it's unflattering, it's untrue.

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Originally by: leth ghost

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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus

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Originally by: leth ghost

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Originally by: Erichan

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Edited by: Erichan on 23/06/2011 19:31:41
Does anyone know why Failheap is still down? EDIT : spelling

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http://i.imgur.com/5xJhp.png

this was posted on there, then it went down ????????????

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mmmmmm hmmmmmm

remember the timing when that last happened..........

I wonder if they took it down themselves to reduce liability.
Forums are somewhat protected from their users posts in US right? Was it US that made them liable?

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back up with post gone lol good job it was screen shotted and dl,d

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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal

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Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 23/06/2011 19:49:58
Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 23/06/2011 19:49:46
lets not forget that CCP's Chief Financial Officer, Joseph Gallo, used to be Managing Director, Investment Banking at CITIGROUP.

Yes, from the bank that nearly went under and needed a massive bailout from the US government. This was the same year that Gallo left (was fired from?) citigroup after working there 14 years.

Just, you know, making sure it's not forgotten.

Sources:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/joseph-gallo/20/726/64b
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122747680752551447.html

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Originally by: glepp

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Unsubbed 2/3 accounts. Last one will get unsubbed soon.

They run out in october, and unless CCP changes out bigtime, I'm not investing any more time, money or effort into a company i have lost faith in.

Goodbye CCP, it was fun while you still seemed to care.

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Originally by: Cyber Duck

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Post 2000 >GET<

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Originally by: Cyber Duck

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Linkage

Quote:

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Breaking News! - Radical changes to EVE Online character development allow you to train characters faster and get into action from the day one!

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Originally by: Miilla

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I think we need a new signiture for everybody.


"FREE HELICITY"

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Originally by: Darveses

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Edited by: Darveses on 23/06/2011 21:33:02

Originally by: Reed Tiburon

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Originally by: Miilla

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I think we need a new signiture for everybody.


"FREE HELICITY"

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QFT.

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Originally by: Illuminaty

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This of course assumes they don't lose their minds and start chasing MT store income at the expense of their current income flow. Vanity items (if made with development $ that is paid for by vanity item sales) won't harm spaceship EVE (so long as spaceship EVE $ subs pay for spaceship EVE content). The MT store could even help spaceship EVE since re-building the spaceship models to allow them to sell re-skins could help pay for new and improved base skins for the non-MT spaceship EVE.

However, selling power-boosting items in a subscription based MMO is going to be problematic. Power-booster items are a required evil in a F2P game (which EVE is not). Something has to pay the bills. Subscriptions pays the bills, adding power-boosters is simply an unneeded evil.

Needlessly degrading your product for the sake of increased profits is the definition of cutting corners. It makes it easier and easier for a competitor to take you out. Businesses are in the business of staying in business, that requires them to make money. Making money doesn't mean you can stay in business though. You can fire all your developers and no be able to maintain or make new product and be highly profitable until it finally falls apart and the company ends up in the dustbin of history.

Of course, I'm sure many of the people pushing this greed-is-good line fully expect to kill the company long term. It can be very profitable to run a company into the ground, and making profits is a great means of allowing you to jump ship to another company that can be profitably run into the ground. Just so long as you don't have to do the work to build the company and so long as you are long gone before the effects of the cannibalization really set in. I mean, that is what corporate raiders like Gordon Gekko did, you know, the guy on the cover of the news letter.

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Originally by: Grey Stormshadow

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Reality is that CCP rolls forward with their plans and part of the EvE community bag their packs and move on.

I am honestly happy that my accounts don't have more than 1-2 days remaining and that I got only 1 plex in hangar (which I will leave there in case some groundbreaking changes would happen in future).

If I had more time left, I would just sit here in forums and troll/rage/whine about everything day after day and that would just make myself sad in the end. It is better that I can just delete Eve folders and forget entire thing for now. Couple weeks of settlers or something will keep me busy np.

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Originally by: Nimbat

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Have anyone translated and sent this to the russian population in eve? I'm sure they'd like to hear what's going on aswell.

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Originally by: Deamos

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Just a reminder I saw posted on Twitter.

I guess CCP changed their tune?

Old Eve-O Forum Post

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